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Old February 28th, 2008, 06:31 PM
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I went from Vapors to 5ks. I learned mostly on the Vapors but being new at the sport and ice hockey equipment in general I snagged the 5ks since they were on clearance without knowing about the pitch. I am struggleing with the rbks pitch as it is more neutral. I there anyway I can change the rbks pitch or is there a technique or something I could use to help me get used to the skates?
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Old February 28th, 2008, 06:33 PM
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I went from Vapors to 5ks. I learned mostly on the Vapors but being new at the sport and ice hockey equipment in general I snagged the 5ks since they were on clearance without knowing about the pitch. I am struggleing with the rbks pitch as it is more neutral. I there anyway I can change the rbks pitch or is there a technique or something I could use to help me get used to the skates?
I would recommend that you give the skates a handful more tries on them before you go and try and adjust the pitch of the skates. If you wanted, you could ask your LHS to profile your skate blades to a more heels down pitch like you had on your Vapors. That is an option.....but I would honestly give the E pro's in stock form a few more tries before you try and adjust them.
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Old February 28th, 2008, 06:42 PM
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Alright Man thanks Ill just have to hit the ice up a few more times. I'm sure ill adjust to them they are really nice skates too
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It is a lot easier going from a bauer skate to a RBK because of the pitch. The other way is difficult.
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Newbie question here: What is the skate pitch??
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Newbie question here: What is the skate pitch??
Pitch is a couple of things. First it can be the reference of the sole of the boot being parallel with the ice surface. This would be a neutral stance. If the heel is setup to be higher than the toes (like on a Graf skate) this is a toes down pitch. This is mostly accomplished with the heights of the blade holders them selves. Pitch is also adjusted by the relationship of your leg with a vertical line. Some boots naturally will cant your shins at a forward angle (Graf) while others are more neutral.
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Pitch is a couple of things. First it can be the reference of the sole of the boot being parallel with the ice surface. This would be a neutral stance. If the heel is setup to be higher than the toes (like on a Graf skate) this is a toes down pitch. This is mostly accomplished with the heights of the blade holders them selves. Pitch is also adjusted by the relationship of your leg with a vertical line. Some boots naturally will cant your shins at a forward angle (Graf) while others are more neutral.
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Good information...this would explain why my son has alot of problems stopping when he switched over from a pair of CCMs to Vapors a few months ago. His skates were constantly chattering from being too much on his heels when he stopped.

It took him a few weeks to get adjust. Now he's just fine with them.

Are CCM skates and RBK skates essentially the same as far as pitch or are there differences even between those? I am considering going from my first pair of skates (RBK 3K) to a pair of Vector V6.0. Besides the break-in time, would I also have to adjust for any pitch changes.
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well i switched from XXs to V10s and i am going to put the effort in to make the switch in pitches and leave that alone, but is it a big deal if i rocker them to the bauer 9' from the CCM 10'
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Old March 13th, 2008, 10:32 AM
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so my vapor IXs have a heels down pitch? maybe that would explain why i still chatter sometimes while stopping.

what kind of pitch is good for forwards or sharp turning doods??
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Ok, sort of newbie question... I have heard the term, but what is meant by 'Chatter'?

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Ok, sort of newbie question... I have heard the term, but what is meant by 'Chatter'?

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its when you stop and your skate almost hops chops/hops instead of making a smooth slide.
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its when you stop and your skate almost hops chops/hops instead of making a smooth slide.
OH, (Ill have to listen for that nest time I stop)... is 'chatter' bad? for either the skates or technique?

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you dont have to listen, you can noticably feel it.

Yes CCM/RBK have a similar boot pitch.
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OH, (Ill have to listen for that nest time I stop)... is 'chatter' bad? for either the skates or technique?

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Ok wont 'listen'... but

is 'chatter' bad? for either the skates or technique?
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can be either. Bad sharpening or typically not bending the knees enough.
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Yea if you chatter alot youll be feeling it when you get off the ice.
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sometimes i do it on purpose because i like the way the world shakes.
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Chatter is bad.
Cause: (1) roh too deep (2) glide surface too small

Manufacturing of most CCM blades strives for 17% of blade length as a glide surface, positioned 60% forward of center. This provides for a skate with a slight forward pitch with average speed and manoueverability. Your local qualified skate sharpener/profiler could adjust to suit your particular needs or wants.
More glide surface = more speed, with a loss of manoueverability.
The fwd pitch is most desired by forwards, D-men seem to prefer a straight up stance. . ? Most D-men want less speed but max manoueverability, while fwds want the speed. . .?

The 'library' at blade-tek.com has pages that describe most of this stuff, some interesting reading

If your skates chatter, you are not stopping as fast as is possible, much like locking up the tires on a car. . . my advice is to get them sharpened up properly.
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